Sunday, November 26, 2006

Amato out at NC State

With the announcement today that Amato is done in Raleigh, The Chest becomes the second coach (along with Miami's Larry Coker) to defeat TOB this season and then be fired at the end of the year. He becomes the FOURTH coach in the last three years to share in this "honor" (Syracuse's Paul Pasqualoni and Pitt's Walt Harris were both fired after the 2004 season). And that doesn't include UNC's John Bunting, who survived only one season after the one in which he defeated TOB.

For those who think TOB is a good coach, is there a SINGLE other coach in the country who has lost to 4 coaches in 3 years who would go on to be fired at the end of that season?? I don't know, but my bet is that if there is one, his school's fans are calling for his head.

It's tough going at BC though, what with our small school size, small fan base, and stringent academic requirements. Because everyone knows that only major football factories, schools of 25,000 whose players are paid by boosters and hire stand-ins to take their Underwater Basket Weaving exams, scandal-ridden institutions like Georgia Tech and Wake Forest, have the capability to win the ACC Championship.

17 Comments:

At 8:45 AM, Blogger Patrick Lane said...

Someone with computer skills needs to create a TOB Excuse-o-matic page online. I am so upset about cheering for an underachiever that I told the girlfriend the other day, "I'm glad I'm going to Texas so I can start rooting for a winner." Major ouch.

 
At 9:36 AM, Blogger Joe Grav said...

Good. Have fun in Texas. I hope you don't have to study too hard. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of our fine state.

 
At 9:38 AM, Blogger Joe Grav said...

Wake and GT needed the same thing BC did in order to make the ACC title game, a string of great play combined with good fortune. The powerhouses all had down years this year. We weren't opportunistic. They were. End of story. Can you blame TOB for that? Yes, I'd say that you can. But let's not pretend like Wake is going to make the ACC title game every year.

 
At 10:00 AM, Blogger Alex L. said...

How do you know that this isn't the start of something big for Wake? Most of their players are injured this year so alot of them will come back, right? So far, Jim Grobe isn't going anywhere either. Sure, maybe Wake won't make the ACCCG next year, but they will continue to be a difficult game for us every season.

TOB needs to go. He is no longer fulfilling his job duties as coach. And I refuse to become the college football equivalent of a Red Sox fan every year.

 
At 10:17 AM, Blogger Joe Grav said...

Fine then, bail. I'm standing by my team. God willing, I'll be at our second-rate bowl game. And I'll be loud.

Wake will be good next year, but FSU, Miami, VaTech, Clemson and (IMO) BC are all going to be better next year than they were this year. I don't think they'll be able to make the ACCCG. If they play as well as they did this year, they might end up going to the...Champs Sports Bowl.

I'm as disappointed as anyone that we aren't going to the ACCCG but sometimes I think people think a little too unrealistically and let emotion get in the way of logic.

Thanks to the Eagles for a fun season. Here's to that tenth win.

 
At 12:09 PM, Blogger Alex F. said...

BC will be a better team next year but still lose 3-4 games thanks to TOB. I'll say L's to Wake, Miami, a .500 GT team, and FSU or VT.

 
At 2:56 PM, Blogger Joe Grav said...

If they lose 3 games next year you can't blame TOB for that. WTF is wrong with you people. They're playing probably one of the five to ten toughest schedules in the country. If they lose 4-5 or god forbid 6, then hack away.

Actually, next year might be a 'dream season' for the TOB haters. The Eagles can actually play well and go 6-6. If they go 6-6 then that just might be excuse to fire the man.

 
At 3:46 PM, Blogger flutie22phelan20 said...

TOB wouldn't get fired if he went 6-6 for five straight seasons. Not the way it should be. But it is the way it is.

 
At 5:03 PM, Blogger Eagle94 said...

According to Sportsline.com BC had the 33rd toughest schedule this year... There are no excuses for TOB. He had the best recieving core I've ever seen at BC and one of the better QBs in the last 20 years and stubbornly tried to establish a running game against Miami when it wasn't working. We're only losing Gonzo so he has a another golden opportunity next year. TAKE CHANCES TOB! Stop driving 55MPH in the slow lane. You're driving a Ferrari and the lease expires next year.

 
At 7:10 PM, Blogger Bravesbill said...

TOB gives "Martyball" a whole new meaning. How on earth a coach can be more conservative than Marty Schottemheimer is beyond belief. I can script every offensive BC series to perfection every time. A run up the middle (he refuses to run off-tackles or sweeps) for 0 yards on first down. He then will throw a crummy screen pass to a back for 2 yards always leaving BC in a third and long situation. Since everyone and their mother knows that BC will have to pass, the defenses blitz the house and either sack Ryan and force him to throw a 5 yard pass to an outlet receiver. This being the case, can anyone please explain to me how TOB calls a 5 yard passing play in 4th down and long situations like he did against Wake and Miami. Isn't the point to get a first down in these situations?

For the past three years, BC had the opportunity to take the next step and go to a BCS or ACC conference Championship game and every year TOB blew it against vastly inferior teams. Three years ago against Syracuse, their fourth string running back/second back-up safety ran for over 200 yards all on off tackle plays leading to an absolute massacre of BC. Last year, BC laid an egg against UNC and this year WTF losses mounted against NC State (who has won three games all year), Wake Forest (one of the most overrated teams in the conference that BC should easily have handled), and then to Miami whose offense couldn't score on a D-1AA team. It is time for the joke TOB to be fired.

Possible replacements would include the Navy head coach Paul Johnson who has turned Navy into a perennial winner despite the recruiting struggles that come with coaching at a military academy. Another replacement who absolutely no one has talked about would be the University of San Diego's head coach Jim Harbaugh (the former Michigan and NFL quarterback). He was passed over on a couple jobs already including Rutgers last year and Iowa State this year. He has transformed the USD program into a winner and had an 18 game winning streak in D-1AA going into this past weekend. He is the coach of the number 1 rated mid-major school in D-1AA and had his program rated as high as 13th this year in D-1AA. This happened despite USD not giving out one athletic scholarship (compared to 53 for the other D-1AA's school). Imagine what these two coached could do with the facilities and recruiting bases BC does have.

P.S. Joe Grav, get your head out of your ass and stop creating excuses for TOB. After three consecutive choke jobs by TOB in three years, TOB deserves to be fired. Have fun freezing in Boise yet again.

P.P.S. Walt Harris didn't get fired from Pittsburgh in 2004. Remember, that was the year they went to the Fiesta Bowl (the year BC should have gone but choked away their chance). He left Pitt so he could coach at Stanford.

 
At 8:12 PM, Blogger Joe Grav said...

1. Well, we're not going to Boise, so...

I guess Charlotte or SanFran could have an unusually cold spell.. although Orlando's looking pretty good, weather-wise.

2. Last year's receiving corps, btw, was the best I've seen @ BC, not this year's. But the point is well received.

3. I'm not 'making up excuses.' I'm stating some facts. You don't like that? Fine. I'm not a "TOB apologist," but I have little tolerance for the people who out and out blame him for everything. That's not fair.

 
At 12:14 AM, Blogger Angry Eagle said...

TOB sucks

 
At 12:41 AM, Blogger Angry Eagle said...

I'm just so friggin tired of rooting for this team. You need some exhilirating wins to offset the devatating losses. We have the latter every year (sometimes two or three) but rarely get more than one of the former. In fact, over the entire TOB era, I can only count one truly big win - the one at Va Tech three years ago to make them bowl eligible after a few WTF losses left them staggering around .500. I don't count the ND upsets. Though they are incredibly satisfying because ND fans are so goddamn insufferable, ND is perennially overranked and has not really been a whole lot better than BC over he past 10 years (including this year). So no trophies for those wins, just a handshake.

There was no friggin excuse for losing to NC State and Miami. State was one baaaad team. That cannot be overstated. They only beat Appalation State and a reeling FSU squad. Lost to everyone else but BC. And Miami only beat Houston, Florida A&M, Florida Atlantic, 0-12 Duke (barely) and 3-9 UNC. Lost to everyone else but BC. There is nooooo excuse for that, those losses are egregious and some heads should roll. But they won't. I agree with Eagle in Atlanta, we are stuck with this putz. He's too bad to take the program any farther, and too good to shitcan. He's also too loyal to jettison some assistants to skake things up. I feel the same was as I did with JOB and the hoops squad back in the 90s, those teams could never beat UConn or Syracuse and were always stuck in the 2nd tier of the conference. God I hope TOB is as sick of these "Groundhog Day" seasons as I am and decides it's time to move on. I think that's the only way we shake this dog off our leg.

 
At 1:12 AM, Blogger Joe Grav said...

So let me get this straight:
Clemson
Va Tech
@ FSU

Those weren't exhilirating wins?

 
At 2:37 AM, Blogger Angry Eagle said...

What I mean by "exhilirating wins" is an upset, a win over someone you are not supposed to beat. Clemson is a peer of BC's like Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia were in the old Big East days. A fun game for sure, but winning that game was no extraordinary feat, especially at home and how Clemson faded. Florida State is a big name progam but this year was a crappy team. Everybody beat Florida State, including NC State, which was horrible. Virginia Tech is the close one. When BC played them, they were in bad shape though, coming off a thumping at the hands of GTech and searching for their identity. They had a great finishing kick to the season and now that is clearly BC's biggest win. But a big upset? A win at home at night against a struggling team? But even if you call that a big win, my point remains. With TOB you get one decent win for one bad loss (Miami) and one really really bad loss (NC State). If it's an even exchange and BC wins either the NC State game or the Miami game, then they're 10-2 and going to a second tier bowl like the Peach or Gator. If they dodge both potholes, BC is 11-1 and possibly going to a BCS game. But since it's 1 good win for 2 bad losses, they're 9-3 and going to a third tier bowl, like they do every year. That's what I'm griping about.

 
At 8:25 AM, Blogger Alex L. said...

Joe Grav:

What you need to ask yourself is are you happy with the state of BC football right now? Are you happy with 8 to 9 wins per year and going to a 3rd tier bowl? First of all remember that there are 64 teams going to a bowl game this year. That's roughly 50% of D1A. So if a team has a pulse, they have a 50% chance of making a bowl. In my opinion, making a bowl game in that environment is nothing special.

Now let's get to the 8-9 wins part of it. Yes, we had an exciting win over Clemson that could have easily gone the other way. The Va Tech win was good too. but let's say we end up losing to Clemson and beating NC State. Then we're in the same exact position we are now. And that is what kills me: the lack of true in-game coaching savvy by this coaching staff.

So if you are happy with these losses that really should have been wins then you are in the pro-TOB camp. I also used to be pro-TOB, but with the talent we had this season, I think in reality, we should be 11-1 with our only loss being to Clemson. Every other team we should have destroyed. But we allowed CMU, Fla ST, NCST, Miami, and BYU all to hang around. Why? Bad coaching.

I used to think this would be as good as it got for BC: 8 or 9 wins and a 3rd rate bowl. I mean look at our school: a private school that makes its players take REAL classes and doesn't tolerate a modicum of bullcrap. We have a tiny stadium and we have alot of snow. How the HELL do you expect to compete with the Miamis, Fla States, Notre Dames of the world with that kind of deal?

Well, on the recruiting side, I think TOB has found a way to compete. He gets good kids with good talent who want to win. But remember, they are still KIDS who need valuable coaching, especially in-game coaching. This is where TOB fails miserably.

Add that to the fact that Jim Grobe and Greg Schiano have found ways to get talent AND win and suddenly, we can no longer say to ourselves: "well at least we're better than Wake and Rutgers". TOB has done less in ten years than Schiano has done in, what, 5, 6 years? It's ridiculous.

Let's not forget that Butch Davis will be at NC next year. Miami is also going to have a new coach and the rumor is that Bill Cowher will be at NCST. The ACC has just gotten ALOT better in terms of coaching which will make it even harder to win games in the future.

I for one am no longer happy with the 8 to 9 wins because I know with the talent and facilities we have (Alumni Stadium notwithstanding) we can do alot better. TOB keeps us down and he needs to go. We need a true coaching genius who isn't afraid to take chances and utilize the talent he has during games. And we need him to be dedicated to BC for the mid-length term.

GDF can make this happen. Alot of people bash GDF but I am still a strong supporter of him. He's a great manager and has done alot for BC athletics and he's dedicated to the school for the long term. He has hinted many times that he sees himself retiring from BC. GDF needs to use his muscle and give TOB the riot act. No more second chances, no more "we'll see what happens next year". It should be: "Tom, you knew what was expected of you this year and you did not meet those expectations. Thank you for all you've done, but we need to let you go. BC has outgrown you."

The alumni donations to BC athletics have something like quintupled the last few years. Couple that with the TV revenue from the ACC and BC athletics should be able to attract a top notch football coach. One who would have the balls to say during his interview: "Gene, BC is nice and all, but I won't come for less than 1 million. Take it or leave it." If Gene thinks this guy has the coaching talent to lead BC to the BCS regularly, then by God, let's pay him what he wants.

Sorry for the long rant. But I am sick of seeing my beloved school being held back when it is sooooo close to greatness. I just donated $50 to the school the other day. I know that's not alot, but I just wanted to show that I am putting (some) money where my mouth is.

 
At 2:45 AM, Blogger Angry Eagle said...

Joe grav, you are obviously a cocksuckin pussy. You undoubtedly have a "chin bruise" from swingin' balls.

 

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